one side of an argument.* But it was helpful.* I don't like quoting ppl without their permission.* I quoted E.T. once. Hollywood, musicians and sports figures are the American equivalents of Royalty. We need Royalty. They entertain us with their antics when they're not working and we pay them for it. Why do we need them? Because nobody cares about politicians. -Kenneth Udut, quoting himself again, Apr 24 2015 Oprah Winfrey. Dr. Oz. DR PHIL? Celebrities? No power? Ok. I'll bite. My internal analogizer has them as variations on the same concept. I'm not being argumentative, but I'd like to know the distinction better from your perspective. Might help me clarify mine. "King: kill that man. Pundit: That man should be killed." Same result. Man gets killed. Still not seeing the difference. One is a command, one takes the "should be" route, which gets in people's heads and causes them to act for the pundit without even realizing it themselves. I'm wrong: "The Constitution explicitly assigns to the president the power to sign or veto legislation, command the armed forces," Everything else he does, is on the same level of Oprah Winfrey: Influence. Influence Congress, etc. Going by Wikipedia: Notice Influence/Soft Power, which equates to Oprah-Power-Level: You have convinced me of the distinction between Power and Influence. It was useful and I thank you. My internal analogizer NOW has Power=On/Off - switch flipping Influence=Programming. I don't like using analogies sloppily, so it was helpful - thank you Ah. Now that's interesting. You have legally supplied authority, which has power, and then you have Authority figure, which carries influence. An authority figure has the shadows of power; a figure being "figurative" - "seemingly" - "apparently" - a nebulous cloud of "something powerful" but it is created by the implicit agreements of others. as opposed to a legal authority, which has literal authority, explicit agreement. Legal. Neat Got it. The position has the power. The system of law being embedded within the structure of our nationhood gives it a stability that only an overthrow of the nation could replace. It is also temporary (all things come and all things go), but given that it's multigenerational, it is as close to a permanent authority granting structure as one could achieve.