[Tue Oct 29 22:26:31 2024]
gemini://bbs.geminispace.org and station seem to work since the 
new update. Good work. Thanks a lot! 

[Tue Oct 22 17:21:44 2024]
v- That's interesting to hear that you can't specify 
elpher-certificate-map via customize. A list of 2-element lists is 
a perfectly valid alist according to the manual. I'll look into 
this. [plugd] 

[Fri Oct 18 09:23:08 2024]
Refreshing (R) should do it, otherwise I have no idea. I have crt 
and key files in ~/.config/emacs/elpher-certificates directory 
(plus setq) and that’s about it. 

[Thu Oct 17 17:25:11 2024]
v- Doesn't work for me. I set the elpher-certificate-map list 
according to the docs but it doesn't work with 
bbs.geminispace.org. Is there some cache I need to clean first or 
something? 

[Wed Oct 16 21:49:54 2024]
*Or something to that effect… I’m unsure of names, as I’m 
relatively new to Emacs. 

[Wed Oct 16 21:48:13 2024]
Certificates do work, but you have to do (setq 
elpher-certificate-map '(("gemini://bbs.geminispace.org/" 
"user-name"))) manually. It does not work through customization 
interface as the option’s format description appears to be wrong 
- it expects an alist, while actually elpher needs a two-elements 
list. 

[Thu Oct 10 11:28:41 2024]
v- When I have the time and inclination, yes. [plugd] 

[Wed Oct  9 20:06:30 2024]
gemini://bbs.geminispace.org/ and gemini://station.martinrue.com/ 
still don't work with client certificates. Is this going to be 
fixed? 

[Fri Oct  4 13:06:26 2024]
? 

[Mon Aug 12 13:32:33 2024]
v- While I agree this would be nice, it's imposible to know what 
content is static vs dynamically generated. I think an option to 
disable caching (discussed below) is a more appropriate answer to 
this. [plugd] 

[Sun Aug 11 02:18:52 2024]
It would be useful to automatically reload when following links 
for dynamically generated sites since they'll have new content 
with each visit. 

[Sat Aug  3 14:32:55 2024]
v- Currently not: you need to use M-x elpher-reload (by default 
bound to R) to force a reload in this case. Somebody else asked 
about this recently so I might have another look at this to see if 
there's an easy way to make this an option. [plugd] 

[Fri Jul 26 05:31:17 2024]
Is there a way to have Elpher always re-load when following a link 
on a page, even if I have already visited it before? 

[Tue Jul  2 10:19:26 2024]
Thanks: flycheck failed to flag this as a 29.1-only function. 
Fixed in 3.6.2. [plugd] 

[Sat Jun 29 16:57:36 2024]
The versions of elpher on MELPA and nonfree both contain three 
instances a void function 'keymap-set' around line 710 which 
should be replaced with define-key. 

[Sun Jun 16 02:03:23 2024]
v- I've just issued a patch release with the default start page 
gemini search engine set to aura. [plugd] 

[Wed Jun 12 22:22:18 2024]
v- Thanks for letting me know. Is there any indication this is a 
permanent outage? Do you have suggestions for alternative search 
tools? Remember also that you can completely configure your start 
page however you like by setting the elpher-start-page 
customisation variable to a local gemtext file. [plugd] 

[Mon Jun 10 11:15:14 2024]
the gemini search engine geminispace.info is down, please include 
another one on the start page 

[Tue May 28 09:50:56 2024]
v- Thanks for the suggestion! I'll look into including some 
suggestions in the next release of the manual. 

[Sun May 12 14:12:59 2024]
Elpher is fantastic, what makes it better is using Symbola font, 
so you don't just see the unicode box with the hex values. It 
might be worth giving a mention to install that font for a more 
"richer" experiance. 

[Fri May 10 10:59:08 2024]
v- Following on from this: I did look into modifying the caching 
logic in the way you describe, but it turns out not to be a simple 
change and I don't currently have the time/inclination to make big 
changes to the organisation of the code. If lots of other people 
also want this feature I might reconsider. Sorry! [plugd] 

[Sun Mar 24 14:24:08 2024]
v- Thanks for the kind words! And yes this would be possible to 
set up, but would require some modification of the caching logic. 
I'll try to look into this next weekend. [plugd] 

[Sun Mar 24 14:22:49 2024]
v- Mattof: I've just released a new version (3.6) which adds 
shift-enter and shift-click commands to open links in a new 
buffer. [plugd] 

[Wed Mar 20 00:02:09 2024]
Thank you for making my favorite Gemini/Gopher browser! Is is 
possible to configure Elpher so that when a link is followed, it 
always loads the page from the host and does not call up what's in 
the cache if the page has been visited before. I like the cache to 
be used when going "back" through history, but when I click on a 
link, I want a fresh copy. 

[Tue Mar 12 11:36:00 2024]
v- Hi Matt, good idea! It's not possible "out of the box", but it 
should be easy to add. I'll look into this. [plugd] 

[Sat Mar  9 10:24:58 2024]
Is it possible to open een gopher-link in *a new window* - like 
shift-enter in eww? [mattof] 

[Wed Mar  6 03:52:09 2024]
How wonderful! Gopher brings so many cute memories. And now I have 
it in Emacs. Feels so so good. 

[Wed Mar  6 03:50:46 2024]
huh? 

[Thu Feb 15 17:01:56 2024]
v- Great to hear! [plugd] 

[Thu Feb 15 10:38:17 2024]
Looks like the issue with relative URLs is indeed fixed. Thank 
you! 

[Wed Feb 14 10:54:52 2024]
v- I've just released a patch (3.5.1) which should address this 
issue. Let me know how you go. [plugd] 

[Wed Feb 14 09:58:14 2024]
v- Thanks for letting me know. I'll look into this. 

[Mon Feb 12 10:33:29 2024]
bbs.geminispace.org uses relative links that look like this: 
?number (e.g. ?47, ?48, ?49...) to change a user's "avatar" (emoji 
symbol). This happens on pages whose absolute URL is 
gemini://bbs.geminispace.org/settings/avatar/letters-numbers-here, 
but letters-numbers-here part is ignored by elpher when relative 
URLs are resolved. I.e. instead of 
gemini://bbs.geminispace.org/settings/avatar/letters-numbers-here?avatar-id 
it becomes gemini://bbs.geminispace.org/settings/avatar/?avatar-id 

[Wed Dec  6 17:42:15 2023]
v- Sorry, I'm a bit thick. Documentation for what exactly? Elpher? 
There's an info manual which comes bundled with the package. 
[plugd] 

[Mon Dec  4 10:31:09 2023]
I think that "add proxy" means that there is no documentation how 
it works. I can't find. 

[Tue Aug 15 09:35:20 2023]
v- Hi, thanks! What do you mean by "add proxy" though? [plugd] 

[Thu Aug 10 18:24:45 2023]
works super good, pls add proxy 

[Tue Jun 20 09:48:05 2023]
v- Regarding the broken client certificate behaviour with Station; 
yes, I'm aware of this problem and a fix is on the way. Thanks for 
your patience! [plugd] 

[Tue Jun 20 09:46:26 2023]
v- Regarding outlines, Elpher is compatible with Imenu so with 
Helm, for instance, you can get an outline of a gemini document 
using C-x c i, and M-x imenu brings up a minibuffer menu to jump 
to the different headings. [plugd] 

[Fri Jun  9 07:39:18 2023]
Hi. Just wanted to let you know that since the "certificate map" 
update logging into Station is completely impossible for me. If I 
specify a value in the certificate map, I get a "Wrong type 
argument: characterp, \," error when trying to login. If not, I'm 
presented with the usual prompt to choose a client cert, but I'm 
still not logged in afterwards. 

[Thu Jun  8 20:42:52 2023]
I like Elpher but was wondering if it would be possible to add a 
function to view an outline of a gemini page's structure (based on 
the header lines), like Lagrange does. I can get this by fetching 
the raw page and using an occur regex, but then if I switch back 
to the nice formatted view, the occur buffer entries are no longer 
jump-able. 

[Fri May 19 14:07:38 2023]
v- Thanks for the encouragement! In fact the default start page 
(about:welcome) already does link to two search engines - one each 
for gopher and gemini. If you'd like to customize this, the manual 
describes how to set a custom start page. This can be any 
elpher-compatible URL, including a file: URL. (My personal 
preference is to create a local text/gemini document containing 
useful links - favourite search engines, links to the bookmark 
page, etc, then set this as the start page.) 

[Wed May 17 13:00:34 2023]
Thank you for writting Elpher! It would be great to have the start 
page show a search engine. 

[Fri May 12 15:54:16 2023]
v- Oops! It seems Station never actually requests a certificate 
via a 6x response except on the login page: all of the 
functionality is in the parent addresses. The new cert system in 
elpher is more restrictive in where the certificate gets applied, 
so the certificate being activated for 
gemini://station.martinrue.com/login means it remains inactive for 
gemini://station.martinrue.com/. Clearly my assumptions about how 
client certificates were being used were wrong - sorry! I'll get 
onto this and issue a patch as soon as I can. (This weekend.) 

[Thu May 11 17:10:16 2023]
Now, another weird thing is happening. On Station, when I select 
the "join" link, elpher shows the "using certificate..." message, 
but then the capsule won't load saying "Wrong type argument: 
characterp, \,". When I set the elpher-certificate-map variable to 
nil, this won't happen, but then I can't log in at all, even by 
manually choosing my certificate. 

[Thu May 11 17:04:38 2023]
On a second try, yes, astrobotany does seem to be already logged 
in without me doing anything. Not sure what I was doing before! 
Station however is still logged out when you go to the home page, 
unless you select the "join" link. As to searching links using "m" 
it's already my very favorite elpher feature. It's the main reason 
I can't use anything else really. It feels so good to have my 
familiar emacs fuzzy search available to me anytime I want. 

[Thu May 11 10:04:05 2023]
v- regarding the other question about links extending to the start 
of the screen, yes I can see this is slightly annoying. I'll see 
what I can do. In the meantime, if you use "m" and the 
tab/shift-tab to navigate the menus the cursor should wind up in 
the right place. [plugd] 

[Thu May 11 10:02:07 2023]
v- Elpher won't supply the certificate until the server explicitly 
requests via response code 6, just to avoid making identifiable 
connections unless actually necessary. This should happen 
automatically though. For astrobotany, using the map in the 
message below allows me to directly visit app/plant, /app/pond, 
/app/message-board without having to explicitly log in. If I want 
to go to the actual astrobotany menu, I use the /app url. In none 
of these do I need to do anything special to log in, although the 
first time I follow any of these links elpher will need to handle 
the 6 response (so there's a tiny bit of extra screen flicker). 
Does this help? Maybe I'm not understanding your question. [plugd] 

[Thu May 11 08:17:20 2023]
So I tried the new version. I think the way it works is that 
whenever the website requests a certificate, it checks to see if 
there is a pre-determined one in the map. This does make things 
slightly faster. However, I was thinking, is there a way to 
_always_ use the given certificates for matching prefixes? I think 
this is how Lagrange handles this, because when I go to Station or 
Astrobotany with Lagrange, I'm always already logged in. But with 
Elpher, I still have to click on the login link (and Astrobotany 
somehow makes you do the login dance every single time!). 

[Wed May 10 15:58:52 2023]
Just saw the latest update. Awesome. I'm gonna give it a go when I 
get home from work. Meanwhile, I have another small bit of 
feedback. Currently, on gemini links, when the cursor is in the 
first three columns, or at the very end of the line, pressing 
enter won't work. It would be great if we could press enter 
anywhere in the line in order to open a link. Not a big issue, 
it's just a tiny little bit of pain! :) 

[Fri May  5 10:31:25 2023]
v- It took a bit longer than promised, but I've added a new 
customization variable, elpher-certificate-map, which allows you 
to specify mappings between URL prefixes and installed client 
certificates. For example, adding (setq elpher-certificate-map 
'(("gemini://astrobotany.mozz.us/app" "astrobotany"))) to your 
configuration will cause the certificate named "astrobotany" to be 
used for all gemini URLs starting with 
gemini://astrobotany.mozz.us/app. I think this solves your 
problem. The update is in elpher 3.5.0 (just released), see the 
info manual for details. [plugd] 

[Thu Apr 20 10:15:30 2023]
v- Good idea! I've wondered this myself occasionally, although 
it's never annoyed me enough to do anything about it. (Astrobotany 
is the only place I use client certificates, although I'm aware 
other sites like Station use them also.) It should be very easy to 
add a customizable variable containing an alist of 
url->certificate mappings. I'll have a look at this on the 
weekend. [plugd] 

[Wed Apr 19 19:50:49 2023]
I've been using elpher for a month or two, and been really 
enjoying it. Thanks! One thing I want to ask it, is there a way to 
tell elpher to always use a certain client certificate for some 
capsules? It's a little painful to constantly have to refresh to 
make elpher ask me to choose a certificate, and then repeat that 
in like five minutes. I took quick look at the source code and the 
manual, but couldn't find anything. 

[Thu Mar 23 13:56:44 2023]
v- The behaviour of C-g when cancelling gemini input has been 
modified to solve this problem in the latest release. [plugd] 

[Thu Mar 16 10:48:37 2023]
v- thanks! Good point re the C-g thing in gemini input. I've 
become so used to that behaviour that I've stopped seeing it as a 
bug - but you're absolutely right, it's a bit messy! I'll look 
into it. [plugd] 

[Sun Mar 12 02:12:15 2023]
Thanks for elpher, I really enjoy using it. I haven't encountered 
any problems so far except for C-g canceling input in Gemini 
protocol. I'll always get "error in process sentinel" which I 
suppose is not intentional. 

[Mon Nov 14 10:24:23 2022]
v- Hi, glad to hear you're enjoying it! Regarding ANSI, do you 
have the xterm-color package installed as described in chapter 12 
of the elpher manual? The default support provided by ansi-color 
(part of emacs) isn't that great, but xterm-color lets me see ansi 
colour in preformatted gemini blocks and text files. [plugd] 

[Mon Nov 14 05:54:15 2022]
Hi! I've been using elpher for gemini for a while now. Love it, 
thank you. :) I've just noticed that ANSI escape sequences aren't 
being properly interpreted in preformatted blocks in gemtext. 
They're stripped out, but not displayed. I was hoping to colourise 
my ascii art. :) 

[Wed Sep 21 13:54:21 2022]
Great to hear, JDP! [plugd] 

[Tue Sep 20 08:48:56 2022]
Thank You for elpher, it is great to browse gopher and gemini 
sites while in my favourite editor interface to the LSIP machine. 
Very cool. - JDP 

[Fri Sep  9 18:24:10 2022]
didje: great that it's working! For the feedback code, a basic 
example is in the examples/ directory of the scratchy repository. 
You can see the actual code used for my gopherhole here: 
gopher://thelambdalab.xyz/0/projects/elpher/submit-feedback.scm 
and gopher://thelambdalab.xyz/0/projects/elpher/view-feedback.scm. 
[plugd] 

[Fri Sep  9 16:45:27 2022]
thanks for the idea plugd, i tested with a generated one and it 
helps me understand that i don't have the right format 
certificate. finally the one generated for amfora is exactely the 
same i must use for elpher. so i copy the amfora one to the elpher 
directory, and now it works with it. thanks again for your help ! 
another question : have you released somewhere the code you use 
for dealing the submit feedback you use here ? [didje] 

[Fri Sep  9 13:43:30 2022]
Regarding "scratchy", it's not an egg, it's just one of my 
projects: gopher://thelambdalab.xyz/1/projects/scratchy/ [plugd] 

[Fri Sep  9 13:40:48 2022]
didje: "Connection timed out" messages indicate that emacs is 
experiencing network connectivity problems, rather than 
certificate issues. Have you tried generating a new certificate in 
elpher to see whether you get the same error? [plugd] 

[Thu Sep  8 20:47:14 2022]
this question isn't about elpher, my certificates are correct but 
I don't find information about scratchy software ( I think is a 
egg of chicken) 

[Thu Sep  8 18:24:32 2022]
and for information, i have the same problem with astrobotany site 
:( [didje] 

[Thu Sep  8 18:20:22 2022]
thanks plugd, my certificate is used now, but when i try to join 
station.martinrue.com for example, i have this error : Connection 
timed out. Retrying with IPv4. do you see why ? [didje] 

[Thu Sep  8 10:05:58 2022]
v- to install a certificate manually, you'll need to ensure that 
both the crt and key files have the same prefix (eg 
astrobotany.key and astrobotany.crt) before copying them to your 
~/.emacs.d/elpher-certificates/ directory. You can also add the 
certificate automatically in elpher, as described in section 8.1 
of the manual. Good luck! [plugd] 

[Wed Sep  7 11:52:53 2022]
hello, i have with amfora a certificate and a key configured in 
pem format. i have transformed the pem certificate to crt 
certificate and put it in directory ~/.emacs.d/elpher. and when i 
go to a gemini site which use the certificate, elpher can't find a 
certifitate when i try autocomplete. did i forgot something ? 

[Tue Aug 30 11:53:48 2022]
Thanks for the reply! I shall have checked the documentation for 
elpher before asking. And thanks for this great package. :D 

[Tue Aug 30 09:49:04 2022]
v- it's technically possible (C-u M-x elpher will open a new 
elpher buffer) but there's no corresponding elpher-go that does 
this. It's possible this will improve in future. [plugd] 

[Mon Aug 29 15:37:54 2022]
Is it possible to open an Elpher link in a new buffer? 

[Tue Aug 16 09:45:15 2022]
v- here's the project page: 
gopher://thelambdalab.xyz/1/projects/scratchy/ [plugd] 

[Tue Aug 16 00:10:26 2022]
where can I find Scratchy 1.4.1? 

[Wed Aug 10 00:12:47 2022]
Re Spartan. I understand you. And thanks for you good work! 

[Mon Aug  1 06:32:40 2022]
v- Thanks! Re spartan: there's a branch in the repository where 
I've added basic support, but I didn't like the way it complicated 
the code due to spartan's text/almost-gemini markup format, so I 
didn't merge it. I might reconsider if spartan becomes more 
popular. [plugd] 

[Fri Jul 29 04:02:06 2022]
I use elpher on Emacs and I love it. Do you think to support 
Spartan protocol? 

[Fri May 27 13:45:41 2022]
Lovely mode! 

[Mon May  9 15:05:38 2022]
v- Yikes, thanks for letting me know!! I've renewed the 
certificate. (I really should figure out why my certbot cron job 
is failing one of these days!) [plugd] 

[Mon May  9 14:05:03 2022]
Hey, i'm using doom emacs and my update fails because the 
certificate for thelambdalab.xyz expired yesterday ;) 

[Mon May  9 10:42:31 2022]
v- No, the "type" of a page is defined by the link you followed to 
get to it. If you want to modify the type, you need to go to a 
page with a different URL using, for example, 'o'. [plugd] 

[Sat May  7 08:59:46 2022]
Is there a navigational function to go the parent that switches 
back to type 1? 

[Mon Apr 18 20:48:14 2022]
What do you mean precisely by org-mode support? It's already 
possible to open gopher/gemini/finger links from org documents. 
Perhaps you mean rendering of org documents from elpher? If so, 
this is potentially possible, provided the documents are given the 
appropriate mime type. (Elpher will never attempt to auto-detect 
document types.) [plugd] 

[Sat Apr 16 16:30:22 2022]
Is org-mode support possible in Elpher? 

[Fri Apr 15 19:02:40 2022]
v- I agree the default keybindings are ... opinionated. While I 
obviously like them, they're not going to be right for everybody. 
Luckily rebinding keys in emacs is not only possible, but 
encouraged! You should be able to add a hook to elpher-mode to set 
things up precisely how you like. (Related: at some point I'd like 
to have the default start page display _current_ bindings, not 
just the defaults, to better support custom bindings.) [plugd] 

[Mon Apr 11 15:07:15 2022]
I love it, but maybe I like common emacs keybind, example: g to 
reload, l to back, etc 

[Mon Apr 11 15:02:39 2022]
hi 

[Mon Apr 11 10:16:27 2022]
Following up on the previous comment, this issue is addressed in 
the master branch, and the fix will be in the next release. Thanks 
again for letting me know. [plugd] 

[Thu Mar 24 10:36:10 2022]
Thanks for letting me know about the indentation issue. This will 
definitely be text/gemini-specific - elpher doesn't apply any 
auto-fill to gopher directories or other text/plain documents. The 
text/gemini behaviour is related to how the default emacs 
auto-fill works. I'll look into it. [plugd] 

[Sun Mar 20 18:06:57 2022]
Admittedly, this is a small complaint, but elpher has problems 
with indentations in paragraphs in gemini (haven't tested with 
gopher). It is supposed to stop indenting after the first line 
break, but doesn't do so, instead keeping the indentation for the 
whole paragraph. I uploaded a picture showing on the top the 
expected result and on the bottom what elpher shows. 
https://ttm.sh/if_.png 

[Thu Mar  3 09:59:20 2022]
Thanks for the encouragement everyone! Re emacs 26.x support: 
there have been a lot of API improvements since 27.1, which was 
released 2 years ago. Avoiding these makes for harder maitenance - 
sorry! Re port 7070 for gopher over TLS: is this a standard? I've 
never come across it in the wild, but perhaps I've been living 
under a rock? Happy to add this if it's common. [plugd] 

[Sun Feb 27 11:33:57 2022]
Hey, awesome project! What about setting 7070 as the default port 
for TLS gopherholes (or providing a var)? 

[Sat Feb 26 05:23:17 2022]
Glad that gopher is working inside emacs. Unfortunately, elpher 
cannot be installed on emacs 26.x (Ubuntu 20.04 package). Would be 
nice to bring down version requirement so elpher can be installed 
on Ubuntu 20.04 

[Sat Feb 19 17:58:22 2022]
I want to say what a pleasure it's been to use Elpher. My first 
impression of Gopher was that it was too clunky to browse. Elpher 
completely changed my mind. Now it's a joy. Thank you for 
providing a wonderful client! 

[Wed Feb  9 01:18:01 2022]
Hi plugd, thanks for the swift reply! I've just installed the new 
version and it now works wonderfully! Thanks again! 

[Tue Feb  8 18:18:55 2022]
Hi rtr, thanks - glad you like it! And thanks for letting me know 
about the ipv6 address issue. I'm just using emacs' built-in URL 
parser, but weirdly it doesn't handle this properly on its own. 
I've just committed a patch to work around this, and pushed a new 
version (3.3.2). Let me know if it still doesn't work. [plugd] 

[Sun Feb  6 01:00:53 2022]
Hi plugd, thank you for creating and maintaining Elpher! Thanks to 
this I've been perusing the small internet more and more. I have 
one issue though, I've been getting into yggdrasil lately and that 
protocol uses IPv6 for its stuff. It seems that the browser 
doesn't handle the standard [aaaa: ... :ffff] IPv6 address format 
properly. However, if you insert the address without any square 
brackets elpher seems to handle it pretty well. So I assume that 
the issue lies with how the square brackets are interpreted in 
elpher. Either way, thanks again for creating such a handy and 
useful software! Cheers -rtr 

[Sat Feb  5 11:11:37 2022]
Hello plugd. Elpher is awesome! Thank you much for Elpher 

[Tue Feb  1 21:18:26 2022]
Hi lagash, this needs to be better documented, but ANSI support is 
already included in elpher. This is why baud.baby doesn't just 
look like a mess of control characters. However, by default it 
uses the emacs-native package "ansi-color" to achieve this, which 
only supports 8 basic colours. To see baud.baby rendered more 
nicely, try installing the "xterm-color" package from MELPA. This 
enables 256-color ANSI support. [plugd] 

[Tue Jan 18 21:04:08 2022]
For sites like gopher://baud.baby that use ANSI escape codes, 
Elpher doesn't handle them automagically. (require 'ansi-color) 
(let ((inhibit-read-only t)) (ansi-color-apply-on-region 
(point-min) (point-max))) is the code you're looking for. Perhaps 
add it as a minor mode to Elpher, or run it on load if some 
variable is set? - lagash 

[Sun Jan 16 17:41:28 2022]
Thanks for making Elpher! It's great! 

[Thu Dec 23 09:47:54 2021]
v- great to hear! Thanks for the kind words :) [plugd] 

[Wed Dec 22 08:27:20 2021]
Thank you much for Elpher! Very appreciated. Works like a charm. 
Congrats! 

[Tue Oct 19 02:24:59 2021]
I was going to submit a bug report that Debian Stable's Elpher 
2.1.0 forgets the window's font-size, but Elpher 3.2 does it fine! 
Thank you for continuing to keep Elpher updated. :) 

[Thu Oct  7 11:20:50 2021]
v- sorry about that, it seems fboundp only applies to symbols. The 
latest commit should fix this. [plugd] 

[Sat Oct  2 05:31:09 2021]
With the latest commit (fbf5fbc), when browse-url-browser-function 
is an alist, elpher crashes because fboundp fails with it. elpher 
doesn't even start due to that. 

[Tue Sep 28 18:35:49 2021]
thank you for creating elpher, works great 

[Thu Jul 29 21:31:35 2021]
I'm really liking Elpher so far. Just barely learned about the 
Gemini/Gopher protocols and was hoping to find a good non-GUI 
client. Luckily, the best one I could find was written for Emacs. 
Easily my favorite client of the several I've tried. 

[Thu Jul 29 13:45:04 2021]
v- Hi everyone, thanks for the support over the last year - and 
sorry for the terminal emacs gemini rendering bug! The latest 
release finally fixes this and several of ther other points raised 
below. [plugd] 

[Sat May 15 20:12:47 2021]
Nice work!!! Indieterminacy 

[Sat May  1 19:15:55 2021]
It would be great if Elpher included a `browse-url'-like function 
i.e. a function that can be used as the car of 
`browse-url-handlers'. This would allow Elpher to seamlessly 
integrate with EWW and other Emacs modes that might want to open 
links using the Gopher or Gemini protocol. Maybe the function 
could even be automatically added to `browse-url-default-handlers' 
during setup. 

[Mon Apr 26 18:42:31 2021]
Elpher is really nice, it can do gopher, gemini or even finger. 
Though the gemini part can be tricky, for me it worked after (setq 
elpher-use-tls t) which was tried on Doom Emacs. 

[Thu Apr 15 20:23:04 2021]
Best browser, but I can't do gemini on terminal emacs. Wrong type 
argument: number-or-marker-p, nil for everything. 

[Fri Apr  2 16:19:30 2021]
Link menu completion order 

[Tue Mar 30 19:35:09 2021]
with or without gnutls-verify-error most of the gemini pages are 
inaccessibles for me. gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/ doesn't 
work for instance. :/ 

[Fri Mar 26 18:59:34 2021]
Found a fix to timeouts with gemini. Just add (setq 
gnutls-verify-error t) to your config file. 

[Fri Mar 26 16:46:37 2021]
I get timeouts for everything in gemini too. How do I fix that? 

[Tue Mar 16 03:07:16 2021]
Oh no! Somebody bent my '!' in to a '?' 

[Tue Mar 16 03:06:29 2021]
Been using elpher for a long time for browsing gopher and now 
gemini space. Thanks for your hard work? As for a suggestion, it 
would be lovely if org-store-link was aware of gopher: and gemini: 
links. 

[Mon Mar 15 00:30:19 2021]
Hi, I like elpher very much, it is a pleasure to use. The only 
problem I've encountered until now is with my own gemini capsule, 
for some reason elpher is breaking the preformatted content 
between ``` it is ruining my ASCII art :( in every other browser I 
tried it is working as expected. 

[Tue Mar  9 04:24:14 2021]
I really like Elpher for browsing gopher, but no gemini sites are 
loading. If that works I'll probably switch from Lagrange. :) 

[Fri Feb 26 06:50:43 2021]
I'm also getting timeouts on everything gemini 

[Wed Feb 24 19:43:28 2021]
Elpher not displaying 

[Fri Feb 19 08:27:29 2021]
I'm also seeing the "wrong type" errors when browsing Gemini pages 
from the tty. There are two patches for that: 
patch_header_text_termina and patch_emacs_tty. The latter is mine. 
I wrote it before I saw patch_header_text_termina. I would have 
discarded it, but patch_header_text_termina wasn't working for me. 
By the way, I'm loving this client, and I also use it under 
emacspeak. 

[Mon Feb  8 01:01:37 2021]
Oh, wow, almost forgot. In Gemini pages, after the "```", there is 
now the option for content writers to add Alt Text (a description 
of the content", for things like ascii graphics and such. But, 
Elpher doesn't display the Alt Text part, so it'd be great if 
Elpher displayed that, and even better if there were a way to skip 
the block entirely, or choose to hide them or fold them. 

[Mon Feb  8 00:53:26 2021]
As an Emacspeak user, (github.com/tvraman/emacspeak), I find this 
client very useful. The only pain points are that when a page has 
finished loading, I'm not alerted to this fact. It's not that big 
a deal, since pages load just about istantly, but it's something 
that could be improved. Also, and I've fixed this for the most 
part, having a symbol for a link isn't so helpful, since that I 
have to Tab to that link and press Enter, so I emptied the link 
string, so it's just on that line. Also, pressing Tab doesn't 
speak the item I've moved to. But overall, this has become my only 
Gemini/Gopher client, and I very much appreciate it! 

[Sun Jan 24 16:51:27 2021]
Thanks, love this! I am getting the "wrong type argument stringp 
nil" error every time I try to load a gemini page. I am using 
emacs in the terminal. 

[Fri Jan 22 21:50:04 2021]
Thanks for elpher 

[Thu Jan 14 09:44:07 2021]
Trying to access gemini://astrobotany.mozz.us/app on "GNU Emacs 
26.1 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.5) of 
2019-09-23, modified by Debian" results in "Symbol’s function 
definition is void: read-answer" 

[Sat Jan  2 21:53:46 2021]
For folks who are getting "connection timeout", I found that (setq 
elpher-ipv4-always t) solved the issue for me. 

[Wed Dec 30 12:30:25 2020]
6 

[Mon Dec 21 19:27:18 2020]
I was also getting the stringp error when visiting gemini pages 
for a while. That's gone, but now I get: "When attempting to 
retrieve gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/: Malformed response: 
No CRLF-delimited header found in response" 

[Fri Dec 18 23:29:46 2020]
also forgot to specify my specs, emacs/27.1 on Raspbian 10 

[Fri Dec 18 23:28:37 2020]
nice work on elpher! my favourite gopher/gemini client. i have put 
it onto my pi (terminal-only) and started to encounter some 
problems with gemini pages, in that they fail with the problem 
"wrong type argument: stringp, nil". if i view the source of the 
page it works fine, but as soon as i reload it gives this error. 
this is only a problem in the terminal-only emacs environment :/ 

[Sat Dec 12 05:56:59 2020]
sry, forgot to mention: I'm running elpher on Doom(2.0.9) 
Emacs(27.1), macOS Catalina 10.15.7 

[Sat Dec 12 05:51:57 2020]
hey, thanks for this package! I'm having trouble too connecting to 
Gemini sites. I get a "connection time-out" message. 

[Wed Dec  2 21:16:00 2020]
Oh, I just saw the older feedback (only up to Nov 8 loaded). I 
_do_ have gnutls-verify-error non-nil, so I guess that's on me 

[Wed Dec  2 21:05:58 2020]
I seem to be unable to connect to any Gemini sites. Elpher reports 
a timeout, but no other information. For instance, navigating to 
the link to Project Gemini on the homepage attempts a connection 
but then fails with a timeout. 

[Tue Nov 24 22:09:12 2020]
Question: is there a way to submit a client certificate for a 
capsule that doesn't require it? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the 
protocol but it seems elpher only sends one when it gets a status 
code asking for one? 

[Sat Nov 21 21:38:50 2020]
test 

[Mon Nov 16 20:44:01 2020]
nvm, it appears i cannot see feedback before 8november. I can see 
the whole thing in lynx, elpher only shows most recent(16nov now). 
A bummer :( 

[Mon Nov 16 20:30:39 2020]
view recent feedback is blank in elpher, anyone else? emacs v27, 
latest elpher from melpa 

[Sun Nov  8 23:45:41 2020]
 

[Sat Nov  7 22:33:47 2020]
I just saw the other feedbacks mentionning how to fix the gemini 
issue by disabling tls CA check. I think it would help to add a 
message to check for tls-checktrust variable and if not nil and in 
case of timeout error provide a link to a gopher page explaining 
how to properly configure elpher with tls with also the security 
implications. Thanks again for elpher anyway. It's great! 

[Fri Nov  6 23:53:45 2020]
Hi! Thanks for elpher. I just installed it to try gemini. 
Unfortunately, when I tried to join the project gemini url I get a 
failure (while I verified the gemini page works via some web 
proxy). Elpher try and fail, then I get a message retrying with 
IPv4. Still failing. So you know :). Cheers. 

[Thu Nov  5 11:27:48 2020]
Ops, I thought I could insert more than one line. I wanted to 
thank you for gopher, which is awesome. Howerver, I just found out 
that " 

[Thu Nov  5 11:25:27 2020]
Wrong gemtext parsing 

[Thu Nov  5 03:56:02 2020]
thank you for the correct Doom Emacs tls config 

[Thu Oct 29 08:37:04 2020]
hello, elpher is awesome, kind of a newbie here so do anyone knows 
how to open two different elpher instances? right now using the 
elpher command always points to the same buffer 

[Sun Oct 25 02:41:47 2020]
continued, doom emacs https://pastebin.com/LYGBjf0f 

[Sun Oct 25 02:38:37 2020]
(setq gnutls-verify-error nil 

[Sun Oct 25 02:38:06 2020]
This is less feedback and more some info. Doom emacs doesn't use 
standard tls settings. You can run something like this to get 
gemini working (setq gnutls-verify-error nil 

[Sat Oct 24 18:08:26 2020]
I'm submitting some feedback on Elpher from Elpher. It is good. 
Thank you :) 

[Fri Oct 23 20:20:21 2020]
I use elpher about every day and I enjoy it. I like to read gemini 
in variable-pitch mode, so I changed the last line of 
elpher-with-clean-buffer to this: (append args (list 
'(variable-pitch-mode)))))) Otherwise, elpher would turn off 
variable-pitch-mode every time I visited another page. 

[Fri Oct 23 13:37:15 2020]
im the one that couldnt access any gemsite, I have no idea why but 
it fixed itself when I changed from doom emacs to spacemacs 

[Thu Oct 22 16:45:10 2020]
Works great, even in Debian Stable's Emacs 26.1. Not sure why 
Melpa gate's it behind 26.2... 

[Sat Oct 17 18:54:52 2020]
Elpher has some wrong type argument issues when trying gemini 
links on emacs 27 

[Sun Oct  4 18:50:10 2020]
hello, do anyone knows how to fix this? I cant access any gemini 
site (no problems with gopher, and no problems with Kristall nor 
AV-98), the minibuffer just says: connection timed out. Retrying 
with IPV4, and after that: Error in the main window, any idea? 

[Sun Oct  4 15:47:09 2020]
Now I don't have to exit Emacs (God forbid!) to browse 
Gopher/Gemini sites. Thanks a lot! ~brown121407 

[Wed Sep 30 15:08:52 2020]
Best Gemini client out there! Thank you! 

[Mon Sep 14 03:18:34 2020]
And the native-comp bug has been fixed! 

[Thu Sep 10 00:47:09 2020]
native-comp bug filed here: 
https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=43280 

[Sat Sep  5 00:15:53 2020]
l;kj 

[Fri Sep  4 07:09:51 2020]
When attempting to retrieve gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/: 
Symbol’s function definition is void: \(setf\ url-port\) 

[Fri Sep  4 07:08:38 2020]
Great Package! I'm also seeing what I imagine is a compilation 
issue. I'm running the native-comp branch ot 28.0.50 and see this 
error with a majority of gemini addresses: 

[Fri Sep  4 07:07:31 2020]
submit 

[Wed Sep  2 18:52:12 2020]
Elpher is superb, any chance that you could implement per-scheme 
proxies so that we could use, for example, Duckling-proxy? 

[Mon Aug 17 01:20:37 2020]
This is great, I love it. Thanks very much! I've just discovered 
that with Emacs 28.0.50 and native compilation enabled, trying to 
access some URLs fails with the error message: "Symbol’s 
function definition is void: \(setf\ url-port\)" ... I guess this 
is likely to be an issue with Emacs' native compilation? 

[Sun Aug 16 01:33:27 2020]
Really nice, thanks! Just sent a patch to properly create the 
certificate directory 

[Tue Aug 11 06:50:14 2020]
This software very nice indeed! 

[Wed Aug  5 09:51:25 2020]
I'm not sure where to look for an answer to this but, how can I 
get GIFs to display in Elpher? 

[Thu Jul 30 12:41:44 2020]
Something went wrong last time I was posting here. Huh. Anyway, 
disregard it. 

[Thu Jul 30 08:14:32 2020]
COPYING file has placeholders unmodified. On line 

[Fri Jul 10 10:52:07 2020]
v- Re elpher packaging: Amazing! Thanks for packaging it up! Re 
tslil.xy: thanks for the kind words! I'm not experiencing any 
problems connecting to your site from my end. Perhaps you can 
shoot me an email and we can try to get to the bottom of this? 
(btw the first thing I'd try is "forcing" ipv4 using the relevant 
customization variable.) [plugd] 

[Tue Jul  7 07:50:52 2020]
elpher will soon be in Debian's packages 
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=963032 :) 

[Mon Jul  6 06:40:31 2020]
This is really great, thanks, i'm very enthusiastic about being 
able to use my favourite operating system to read gemini/gopher 
sites! Unfortunately i seem to have come up stuck in my usage 
case, it's quite probable that i'm doing something wrong, but 
nevertheless: my gemini site (running on gemserv) 
gemini://tslil.xyz does not work in Elpher, though it does appear 
to work in the other clients and proxies i tested. Is the server 
misconfigured somehow and other software is lenient, or is this a 
bug in Elpher? 

[Mon Jun  8 23:36:10 2020]
v- Wow I'm really getting behind in replying to feedback! Thanks 
to both new posters for the encouragement. :-) Re colours, you 
should be able to change these to your liking by customizing the 
faces in the elpher customization group. Re key bindings, the 
reason n/p aren't aliases for tab/shift-tab is that they conflict 
with vi navigation keys, and I try to keep both evil and non-evil 
emacs users happy. :-) Re threading, yeah I'm worried it's a bit 
of a dog's breakfast to use gnutls-cli. But it's nice to know it's 
an option we can use if we get desperate enough... [plugd] 

[Fri Jun  5 17:11:49 2020]
Threading woes: I suppose you are right, given the isolation it 
can be written in a way that does not affect the rest of the 
system. Personally, I did not like the approach of handing things 
off to an external program in circe. Thought it solves a problem, 
it is not elegant to say the least. I imagine it will also 
introduce many other cases that will necessitate extra care while 
debugging &extending. Just to mention one here, one has to start 
thinking about the external APIs of gnutls-cli instead of working 
from within emacs and its governance - which may potentially make 
things complex in the long run. Another point here is that it only 
handles establishing connections and giving over control of the 
sockets. Rest of the code already is async and handled well by 
emacs. I will try and discuss this in 

[Fri Jun  5 15:24:10 2020]
Hey, I love this! I'm a gopher (and emacs) newbie, but having a 
ball. Just wondering if keys `n/p` could be aliases for 
`tab/shift-tab` because that seems to be pretty "standard"? Of 
course i just remapped them myself, but thought I'd suggest it - 
and also again to say thanks! 

[Fri Jun  5 06:01:27 2020]
Thank you a lot for such a pleasant and useful Gemini/Gopher 
client! :) It is very nice to use and even helped me to discover 
the whole new Gemini protocol: I was and Emacs user for a long 
time before and strongly prefer controlling things by keyboard 
rather than mouse, so when I was heard about small text Internet 
and looked around in search of good Gopher client, I've found 
Elpher, and the description was saying about support of Gemini 
protocol. And I've found it superior to Gopher, and I also like 
green color more than orange :), so I wonder, whether I could 
reverse the colors Elpher shows Gemini/Gopher links to be the more 
advanced Gemini rendered in green and older Gopher in orange? ^) 

[Thu Jun  4 21:14:57 2020]
v- Thanks for looking into this! Yes, this doesn't surprise me. It 
certainly doesn't block once the connection is made. I still don't 
understand some of the interactions with servers pointed to by 
AAAA DNS records - sometimes this blocks for ages, and DNS itself 
can't be the issue. Regarding use of gnutls-cli, it's definitely 
something I'm willing to look into. I'm not convinced it'd be too 
big of a problem to implement: elpher keeps the network code 
fairly isolated in "getter" functions (one for each application 
protocol). I'd be most worried about having an external 
dependency, which I've managed to avoid until now. [plugd] 

[Tue Jun  2 14:07:39 2020]
Further analysis on the blocking issues shows that DNS resolution 
is where the main problem lies. This is present in eww as well. 
Look at 
https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/02/22/a-big-patch-for-emacs-a-small-step-for-eww/ 
for some work on eww. I looked at circe which uses gnutls-cli to 
circumvent the issues of blocking connections. It uses 
`start-process' to initiate tls connections along with its own way 
of handling sentinels and event emissions. To move elpher to such 
a model is kind of a big task that necessitates a complete 
rethinking of the package. Thanks single threaded emacs! 

[Sun May 31 12:44:05 2020]
I went through some code earlier too, and found the networking 
calls as async as they can be made in emacs. While discussing this 
on #emacs another bug was filed as a result of debugging: 
https://github.com/lastquestion/explain-pause-mode/issues/34 I 
will keep looking into it though! Thanks! 

[Sun May 31 00:50:38 2020]
v- Sadly not. Elpher actually already asks emacs to handle network 
operations asynchronously, but the main thread is still blocked 
until the connection is made. This seems to be a limitation of 
emacs itself, or if its not it's one that's above my pay grade to 
find a way around. I've worked very hard to get rid of the worst 
blocks and I think the current situation is going to be as good as 
it gets. Hopefully, though, the shorter connection timeout of 5s 
means that even the worst of these blocks can't be _too_ long. 
(Although I understand that even 1 or 2 secs would be painful if 
it's blocking the WM!) Sorry I can't give you a better answer! :-( 
[plugd] 

[Fri May 29 21:01:48 2020]
I use exwm, and elpher blocks the main thread. What this means is 
that I cannot switch to anything else while elpher is at work. 
This is generally okay because it does not take much time to load 
gopher documents, but I got stuck for a few seconds today. Is this 
something in work already? 

[Sun May 24 13:12:16 2020]
Regarding user certificates, I think it _should_ be possible to do 
this in elpher, even if we have to call an external program to do 
the dirty work. Support for user-specified (pre-generated) 
certificates should be in within a week. [plugd] 

[Sun May 24 13:09:42 2020]
Hrm, that's odd about the bookmarks. Can you maybe contact me at 
plugd@thelambdalab.xyz? It should be easy to get to the bottom of 
this, but I'm unable to replicate the issue here. [plugd] Edit: 
this turned out to be a bug in an earlier version. This should be 
fixed in the most recent Elpher release. 

[Sat May 23 23:24:03 2020]
I'm curious about the potential for elpher to generate client 
certificates (specifically to interact with Gemini servers using 
them for user sessions). I had a look at the docs for elisp and 
TLS but it wasn't clear to me if this is even supported in Emacs. 

[Sat May 23 23:17:08 2020]
I think there's an issue with the latest update and bookmarks, 
when I try to bookmark I get "symbol's value as variable is void". 
However a c-h v on my elpher-bookmarks-file shows the correct 
value (and B shows my bookmarks). Any ideas? 

[Fri May 22 14:59:24 2020]
v- it's possible that the latest update solves your connection 
problems, particularly if you were using elpher in combination 
with the Doom configuration. Let me know if you still have 
problems. [plugd] 

[Fri May 22 10:10:04 2020]
v- One other thing, it may be helpful to know whether you're 
running on Windows or not. I've had issues with eol-translations 
causing havoc on Windows machines in the past, so something like 
that could explain why I've never encountered it. [plugd] 

[Fri May 22 09:12:03 2020]
v- Do you have an example of a specific server? I've just tried 
all of the servers in solderpunk's list and was able to load all 
of them (besides the one that requires IPv6 - my ISP stupidly 
doesn't support this - and zaibatsu, which for a while now has 
been refusing connections). Thanks. [plugd] 

[Wed May 20 16:06:17 2020]
Gemini servers hosted using gemserv don't seem to function using 
Elpher. Elpher complains about malformed headers when such sites 
are accessed. Could be gemserv bug? 

[Tue May 19 23:33:58 2020]
Thank you for making a nice emacs gopher & gemini client! <3 
(Shufei) 

[Sun May 17 17:43:27 2020]
v- Glad you're enjoying the new formatting! For zip and other 
binary files, you can always download by using "d" to open the 
link. But you're definitely right, the default behaviour on 
opening "unsupported" mime types like application/zip should have 
been to offer to save the file. I've made that change now. Thanks 
for letting me know about this! [plugd/Tim] 

[Sun May 17 16:37:57 2020]
Thanks Tim for the new update, word wrapping is much nicer now! I 
was wondering about support for downloading zip files over gemini, 
the mime type currently is unsupported? 

[Sat May 16 15:07:35 2020]
v- To the person asking about TOR, thanks for the encouragement!! 
Regarding your question, I realy don't know much about TOR at all 
(I think I tried using it once in the last 10 years) so I really 
have no idea what would be involved in making this happen at the 
level of an emacs package. Have you tried launching emacs with 
torify? (This is all a quick google search turned up.) [plugd] 

[Sat May 16 14:55:52 2020]
v- Good idea - bookmarks file name can now be customized. [plugd] 

[Fri May 15 06:34:31 2020]
Make Elpher bookmarks file location customizable. 

[Thu May 14 09:34:56 2020]
Thank you so much for actively developing this client, it's easily 
my favorite way to browse gopher and gemini! I have no idea how 
reasonable this would be, but would there be some way to implement 
access to gopher pages which are hosted through TOR? That's 
essentially the only pain point left for me now that finger is 
supported. Keep up the good work! 

[Thu May 14 02:43:10 2020]
v- Great idea! Will be thinking seriously about history 
saving/navigation shortly. [plugd] 

[Tue May 12 00:27:23 2020]
saving history? 

[Thu Jan 23 04:54:21 2020]
V- Sorry to hear about this issue. TBH I didn't think I had 
control over the scaling of images at all. (The interactive 
zooming features seem to require an imagemagick installation.) But 
w3m manages to do scale images correctly even without this 
dependency, so it must be possible to sort out. Thanks for the 
heads up! I'd hate to get in the way of you reading XKCD. :-) 
[plugd] 

[Thu Dec 19 02:28:02 2019]
I am using a 4k display. While w3m seems to respect the zoom level 
when viewing images, they are really tiny in elpher. It would be 
nice to have them at a size in which i can actually see something. 
(xkcd for example is unreadable). 

[Sun Nov 24 10:26:36 2019]
v- And regarding using `with-current-buffer', I already do (uless 
I've missed something) use this around code that expects the 
*elpher* buffer to be current. This is done via the 
`elpher-with-clean-buffer' macro. BTW much of the buffer handling 
will change soon, as I'm about to introduce support for multiple 
buffers. (See ISSUES.org in the multi-buffer branch.) [plugd] 

[Sun Nov 24 10:26:12 2019]
v- Thanks for the suggestion - will look into that. And thanks for 
any work you did on the node-URL thing. I hope you didn't do too 
much before noticing my updates! [plugd] 

[Sun Nov 24 07:03:00 2019]
This reminds me of another thing, all calls to `switch-to-buffer' 
should be replaced with something equivalent using 
`display-buffer' inside, such as `pop-to-buffer-same-window'. This 
allows users to customize where exactly the elpher buffer shows 
up. For extra robustness I'd make sure all functions expecting to 
be called inside an elpher buffer are used from a caller with 
`with-current-buffer'. 

[Sun Nov 24 07:01:00 2019]
Good work, I was about to hand in code for reworking generation of 
nodes from URLs, but it seems you did that yourself some time ago. 
With that change it's easy to write a handler that can be used as 
`browse-url-browser-function': (defun (my-elpher-browse-url (url 
&rest _args) (let ((node (elpher-make-node url 
(elpher-address-from-url url)))) (pop-to-buffer-same-window 
"*elpher*") (elpher-visit-node node))) 

[Wed Oct 23 11:13:03 2019]
v- Elpher runs on the GNU Emacs platform, so as long as you're 
able to get that running on Windows you should be able to install 
Elpher as per the instructions in the README. - plugd 

[Wed Oct 23 10:16:27 2019]
How can I get the Windows version? Its not clear to me where it 
is. 

[Wed Oct 23 01:15:05 2019]
v- Thanks! - plugd 

[Tue Oct 22 23:29:21 2019]
This is the best gopher client I've seen thus far. Combined with 
doom-emacs, it's a big win in my book. Two thumbs up! 

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