Subj : Re: Quid Pro Quo - Joe
To   : Gregory Deyss
From : Dale Shipp
Date : Fri Dec 27 2019 01:29 am

 -=> On 12-26-19  07:28,  Gregory Deyss <=-
 -=> spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Quid Pro Quo - Joe <=-

 GD> This is not open for debate when there is video-graphic evidence of
 GD> Joe Biden talking about what transpired.

 DS> There is, but you are putting the exact opposite spin on what happened
 DS> and WHY.  It was done as an official policy of the US Government and our
 DS> allies.  It was not done for any individual's personal gain.

 GD> You left out the part that talks about the prosecutor who was fired
 GD> was investigating Hunter Biden and Burisa because the CEO of that
 GD> company had direct ties to leadership with the country of Ukraine. 

I did not leave it out since it was not there.  You are creating
alternative facts.

Here is the true facts:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/c-span-video-joe-biden-ukraine/

[quote]However, Shokin was not fired for investigating Burisma, but for
his failure to pursue corruption investigations -- including
investigations connected to Burisma. And Biden wasn't alone in the
effort to push Shokin out, but rather was spearheading the Obama
administration's policy, which represented a consensus among diplomats,
officials from various European countries, and the International
Monetary Fund that Shokin was an impediment to rooting out corruption in
his country, according to Bloomberg[/quote].

I.e. he was fired for *NOT* investigating Burisma (and other
corruption).

 GD> What is wrong with the President asking about what really happened
 GD> there.  Nothing, because it is written within the U.S. Constitution
 GD> that he must. 

What is wrong is that asking for a foreign government to help Trump's
election campaign is a federal violation of campaign finace laws,
whether he got such aid or not.  Plus withholding money appropriated by
Congress the way that he did was also against the law.  Plus it hurt an
ally in their fight against an invading adversary, namely Russia.

 GD> Normally at the back-end of an impeachment there are evident crimes
 GD> that are known but at the end of this impeachment there are no crimes
 GD> that were committed by the President that would indicate the reason why
 GD> he was impeached. No crimes what so ever. 

BZZT -- see above.  There were multiple crimes.

                               Dale Shipp
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