Subj : Re: D-Star To : Richard Menedetter From : Holger Granholm Date : Sun Jan 17 2016 08:56 am In a message on Sunday 01-16-16 Richard Menedetter said to Tom Walker: Hello Ricsi, RM> I am for example talking about D-Star/DMR/Fusion. RM> There you have 3 possibilitites: RM> 1) talk on simplex HT <-> HT over radio waves (talk around on DMR) So far that is OK, but I don't understand what (talk around on DMR) is. RM> 2) HT <-> repeater <-> HT over radio waves That is also ham radio. RM> 3) HT <-> repeater 1 <-> IP <-> repeater 2 <-> HT all over radio RM> except the IP link between the 2 repeaters. Those two repeaters can RM> be seperated by thousands of kilometers or whatever non-SI units you RM> like. This is where our opinions differ. As soon as you involve an IP link, or any other transport other than radio waves, it ceases to be ham radio D-Star, DMR and Fusion are communication methods between two parties, that don't use radio waves for the entire link. Read also in QST 12/2015 p62 about the future of digital communications. RM> From MY point of view having the possibility of using option 3 does RM> NOT disqualify those technologies as being HAM! Neither D-Star, DMR and Fusion qualify as ham radio as soon as they use an intermediate transport medium, other than radio waves! 73 de Sam, OH0NC aka Holger --- þ MR/2 2.30 þ Aland Islands / 60 degrees North / 20 degrees East * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228) .