Subj : BBS Promotion To : Nicholas Boel From : mark lewis Date : Sat Feb 11 2017 09:33 am On 2017 Feb 10 21:55:14, you wrote to me: NB>>> You say potato, etc.. ml>> yes and no... it is really easy to understand though... NB> I understand it just fine, though you seem to want to continue to teach me NB> something I already know. :) some of the things you say seem to indicate that you don't actually know some things... it is easier for me to just go ahead and do it in the one post rather than pulling hen's teeth going back and forth asking and answering questions... ml>> of course not... their glyphs are different than latin glyphs... this ml>> is really simple when looking at the old school way... there are NB> Therein lies the problem from my standpoint. I've used CP437 (and NB> still do when it comes to the BBS itself) and all it's limitations. NB> Besides displaying ANSI graphics on my BBS to callers using ANSI NB> capable terminal programs, I'm over the "old school way" when it comes NB> to messaging. There should be no limitations whatsoever. One should be NB> able to read and write whatever they desire. I went ahead and made NB> that possible for myself. If others don't care to do so, that's their NB> choice. agreed... and to coin a phrase, "but don't go shoving your religion down other's throats"**... as long as it is readable on other systems that are still saddled with CP437, great... more power to ya... not everyone runs linux or winwhatever... hell, there's even some old commie and apple boards coming back... they have also been fidonet members in the past and carried fidonet on those systems... if one wants to communicate with the widest dispersal, they need to use the lowest common denominator... ** that's not about you, not aimed at you, and "you" is all inclusive, not singular... "religion" could be OS, GUI, BBS package, mail tosser, character set, politics, morals, or even genitals... ml>> because it depends also on what his OS can display... what i mean by ml>> this is that he has to be able to load the OS with the needed code ml>> page to view them correctly but if he does that, he'll lose all the ml>> normal latin glyphs... switching to UTF-8 on the OS will alleviate NB> In this case (as well as many others) I don't think the OS has NB> anything to do with it. He's using Windows 10, which has the NB> capabilities to use anything he would be so inclinded to use for his NB> own purposes. It's the antique FTN software that is holding people NB> back. antiques are valuable... especially when they dwindle to fewer and fewer which drives their value even higher... NB> A lot of people choose to move on with their OS as they are released, NB> but then get upset when their software from the 80s doesn't continue NB> to work. Had the developers of that 80s software still been around NB> today, they would have and could have updated it to reflect new NB> technology in modern OSes. those people are still around... they left fidonet because of all the politics, in-fighting, and other general BS with others telling them /how/ to do what they were doing... some left for $$$ too... NB> With that said, I don't fault anyone for using what they choose to NB> use. Whatever floats your boat and works best for you, by all means NB> stick with it. However, I've chosen to make changes in order to NB> accomplish things I've wanted to accomplish, and am okay with the fact NB> that it may or may not work on other's systems. that's fine... remember, there was no attack against you... BTW: what's going on with that proposal? were you able to get the last version from stephen off his HD instead of the last posted one? netmail reply is fine... just drop it off at my boss node, /12, addressed to this point... or route it the whole way... either way is fine by me... )\/(ark Always Mount a Scratch Monkey Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong... .... After god created woman, beer was the bug fix... --- * Origin: (1:3634/12.73) .