Subj : Re: New to this
To   : Accession
From : poindexter FORTRAN
Date : Sat Apr 19 2025 04:47 pm

-=> Accession wrote to Boraxman <=-

 > True.  But you need plumbers, electricians, floor workers, forklift
 > driver, truckers, sanitary workers, window cleaners, electricians
 > and the plethora of jobs which do not require a college or
 > university degree.  Also include farmers, retailers, shop workers,
 > etc, etc.

The California junior college system is pretty good - it's a series of
2-year colleges with low or free tuition for residents, is designed to
help kids get their lower division classes taken care of cheaply before
transferring to a California public university, but they also have
trades classes - HVAC maintenance, computer technician, even
hairdressing to name a few that I've seen.

 > The economy has to be viable for these people as well. We require
 > them too.

Yeah, San Francisco has priced out the local trades and middle class
families, and the city culture has suffered as a result. When I lived in
San Francisco, half of the people I ran into were multi-generational
natives. A lot of the older generation cashed out their real estate to
pay for retirement instead of passing it along to their kids.

Every once in a while someone reviews a survey of SF firefighters and
policemen, and realize if there's a big earthquake that they all live
across a bridge from San Francisco in the suburbs. San Francisco is
screwed in the next Big One.

 Ac> In a sense, I can agree that "higher education" is a good thing, but
 Ac> "college" is definitely questionable.. depending on what you use your
 Ac> time and money there for. There are more useless degrees than there are
 Ac> useful ones. Getting out of college to an 80k debt while only making
 Ac> 40k/year is definitely not time and money well spent.

We were sold that a college degree was a panacea, and it created a
bubble of tuition loan debt, spiralling tuition costs and colleges that
pride themselves on limiting admission while building huge endowments.


 
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