Subj : Re: Hi all! To : Digital Man From : Gamgee Date : Sun Aug 31 2025 10:00 pm -=> Digital Man wrote to Nightfox <=- > It seems to me that's the case these days. When I was growing up, computers > still seemed like a relatively new thing, and it seemed that there were more > people (like myself) who were curious about how they work. I like to build > my own desktop computers, and I feel like I grew up in a time where a good > number of people did that, and know how to fix things that go wrong. These > days, even though a lot of people use smartphones & other computer > technology, it seems a lot of people don't really have much idea about how > it works or even a curiosity about it. It seems a bit counter-intuitive. DM> Same here. My first tech "job" was building and selling computers and DM> LANs. I got bored of that pretty quick, but it was a start. Now when I DM> hear a proud parent brag how their child is so tech-smart because they DM> "built their own computer", it turns out they're just buying gaming PC DM> components from amazon or newegg and assembling them. Sure, they've DM> learned *something* through the process, but they're a long way away DM> from turning that knowledge into a career. When I was building DM> computers, it was still just a lot of assembly work, but you still had DM> to know how to use 'debug.exe' to invoke the expansion ROM firmware of DM> a "Winchester" controller, know how to low-level format a drive, know DM> the differences between MFM and RLL encoding, platters, tracks, DM> cyclinders and clusters and why it might matter for the customer, etc. DM> Chips and cables weren't "keyed" and you had to know where pin-1 was DM> and why it mattered. Nowadays, all those details are abstracted away DM> from the system builder. And the software stack is much higher now than DM> back then, so the chances of one person knowing it all is even less DM> likely, even when they do know enough to have a job in the field. I DM> enjoy blowing the minds of youngsters when I'm able to demystify things DM> and explain why things (in tech) are the way they are. But I also feel DM> bad that they may not really retain the knowledge since they didn't DM> "live it" and that could be a big handicap for the generation(s) taking DM> over. And don't forget - 1. Setting jumpers/dipswitches to select IRQs/ports/DMA for expansion cards. Had to be right or they wouldn't work. 2. Juggling the order (and command line switches) for device drivers in autoexec.bat and config.sys for maximum free memory (via "loadhigh", "devicehigh", EMM, EMS, etc. (This assumes we're going all the way back to MSDOS days). ;-) 3. Swapping out the UART chips on the MB (or expansion serial card) to use the high-speed 16550 UARTs, to properly use 19200/33600,56K modem speeds. 4. On my first PC (a Kaypro PC), I upgraded the 8088 CPU to a VIC-20 and it was a noticeable speed increase. 5. Numerous tweaks to BIOS settings and hardware (math coprocessors, VESA-bus (?) video cards, and more, to try and squeeze out a little better performance from games like Doom and Duke Nukem 3D. 6. Massive, complicated batch files to run a mailer and BBS package for FidoNet. For me it was FrontDoor (and later Intermail) and PCBoard. LOTS of errorlevels and branches for mail/callers/doors/maintenance. I still have my masterpiece batch file that made it all work together. Ahhhhh - the good old days!! :-) .... I didn't know it was impossible when I did it. === MultiMail/Linux v0.52 --- SBBSecho 3.29-Linux * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138) .