Subj : Re: Is binkp/d's security model kaputt? To : Atreyu From : JoE DooM Date : Sun Dec 19 2021 08:20 pm > Your lengthly reply reiterates almost exactly how I feel, and I've > said for a long time that if one really wants to attract newcomers > to our hobby, we need > a seriously dumbed-down simple to use message client. We do not need Yeah I agree to a point. I think that in all honesty, the type of people that are attracted to BBSs are not the lowest common denomiator type of people. Those people have Facebook (which for all intents and purposes is *literally* old school BBSs with new technology and seriously dumbed down message client)... I know people who were into the BBSs in the 80s and 90s, which is where I met them and we became lifelong friends. They have a nostalgia for the boards, but have utterly zero interest in logging back into them. They used the boards to socialise with local people back in the day. They have Facebook for that now. Even my ex of the last few years was a major local sysop. Even she couldn't be arsed logging in to the board I set up. haha It was just too much effort and it isn't how she wanted to communicate in the 21st century. I know there are multiple angles on how BBS "modernisation" should work, and that's fine, but the reality is we're doing things the "old way" very intentionally. BBSs went through a modernisation when the Internet came along. And hell, even the online web based forums suffer now because everyone just wants to use Facebook. *shrug* I dunno. But as I said to deon in my last post, I honestly think that if someone wants to change something, they will have to develop it first and people will get onboard. Discussing grand ideas will naturally result in people with different ideas not agreeing, or diluting the ideas so much that nothing will get done. --- Talisman v0.35-dev (Linux/x86_64) * Origin: Lost Underground BBS (21:1/230) .